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小西 尚紀 | Naoki Konishi ([personal profile] leftbehindagain) wrote in [community profile] synopsychic2020-01-05 09:26 pm

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Magician said they can, in theory, drop us off anywhere on the Vale but Stricken-Star, because they don't have anchors there.

I can't figure out what she means by 'anchors.' Anyone else have any ideas?
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[personal profile] fridgeninja 2020-01-06 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Have we ever had a Jaunt that seemed to lose an anchor? If we could figure that out, we might know.

Or not, if we couldn't tell whether we lost one or not...

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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
... are anchors those people who show up in all the different places?

Like... the people who look the same, but aren't?

[... thank you, Matthew.]
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
I was listening to old stuff from the network the other day. Best podcast ever, and definitely better than communications chatter but that's beside the point.

And those people crop up all the time, but in that one Jaunt with the superheroes people were talking about how certain people were really just people, nothing different about them.

So I just wondered if that was what people were meaning by anchors.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-06 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
Holy shit my dude, I think you might be right.

Shit. Shit. My mind is fucking blown.
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[personal profile] theflyingone 2020-01-06 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
As the Arcana prefer to act through people--us--it does follow that their "anchors" would be people as well. Another possibility is places, but I think that less likely. Are you speaking of the times the Arcana themselves have Infiltrated? Or Investigated with the disguise of a native of that world?

[ He's fuzzy on the details on Familiar Faces, but he remembers very clearly the time his overlay met Emperor Emperor, disguised as a king, in Newport. ]
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[personal profile] truerevelation 2020-01-06 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
Pff. Ain't it all the same chatter in the end?

But huh. Anchors would be ... Big. Solid. Stuck in place. Liminal ain't 'solid' like worlds are.
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[personal profile] fearinahandfulof 2020-01-06 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
Magician said they look the same because they're the same ideas in each world, or they embody them. She said the ideas are the same everywhere, so it makes it easier to find the boundaries of a world if the Arcana look for them.
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I thought I heard some chatter once that people were wondering if those guys were like the Minor Arcana. But that never really got anywhere.
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Months and months of understanding alien culture is finally good for something!

Possibly that explains why we keep going to certain worlds. They have these people who keep cropping up that they can latch on to.

... makes a good argument for reincarnation in these universes, now that I think about it.
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
No, nothing to do with the Arcana at all. There's people who seem to crop up in various worlds that we go to. I have no idea how many of them there are, but there's definitely people who seem to have similar qualities. I don't think they are the Arcana, and they're definitely not overlays of the Arcana. They're just... dudes.

There's been a bunch of network chatter on them in the past.
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[personal profile] theflyingone 2020-01-06 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
[ He totally knows what dudes are. Thorne and Claudia provided enough context. ]

I'm afraid right now I have to choose between delving into Network archives for a long time, or trying to better the Vale's chances in the short time we are here. But I can see why the Arcana would anchor to other people rather than someone as capricious as a Traveler. Being closer to the action, things tend to happen to us. And we are--what did Delaunay say--Liminal beings.
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, it's definitely all the same chatter in the end. When you're heard one soap opera or propaganda broadcast, you've heard them all. The rest is just set dressing.

Yeah. And people who seem to be in pretty much every world is... pretty solid.
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, it's fine. I don't know if the network would let me link to a specific conversation or not, or even if you could listen in if I could, so I'll just keep going through and summarize what I find. Anything in particular you'd like me to look for?

You keep doing what you can to help down there. That's more important.

And, you're right. We're Travelers, literally. We pass through things, and come out the other side. People who are actually in and from that world are much more solid. Like I mentioned to Thorne, it might explain why we keep going to certain worlds. The Arcana have a connection to people there.
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm. So maybe the chatter from ages ago about them being like the minor arcana isn't that far off. Huh.

That makes perfect sense, in a way. People keep cropping up in every universe that are similar to each other.

It's like how every party has that one boring person who no one knows who invited.
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[personal profile] truerevelation 2020-01-06 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Something down there to be able to grab onto... huh.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-06 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, if Matt's right about the familiar faces being the anchors, someone did kill poor Baerry in Sarmatia.
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[personal profile] tookashirototheknee 2020-01-06 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah!

Anchor's a pretty apt description, now that I'm thinking about it.
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[personal profile] fearinahandfulof 2020-01-06 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
She said that there were people who have stories, and people who are stories, and these people are both - they have stories, but those stories follow a pattern every time, even if some details are specific to the worlds or even parts of worlds they're in. So "Jordi" will have secrets, and "Perry" will get in trouble and need "Mina" to save him, and "Trey" is... an entrepreneur?

[That last is obviously not a word she knows.]

I think she also said there could be different versions in different parts of a world, but in cases like that how close they had to be was subjective, but she had trouble finding the right words at that point. But she also said it took a while for her to figure out that where and when were different, so it could just be a... vocabulary issue? Or I just misunderstood. She also said they don't need all of them to be present to be able to find the boundaries for a Jaunt, but they need at least some of them to be there, and more is better.
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[personal profile] fearinahandfulof 2020-01-06 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
In that case, yes. I don't know about other Jaunt worlds, like the one with Paramo and the Bando and Crownbreaker Isle.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-06 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think Emperor Emperor showed up until a while after Baerry died, though. Maybe it's a time-delayed thingy?
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-06 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, yeah, good point. When it doubt blame the Skittles.




... I still think Matt's right about the anchors, though. It just makes sense.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-07 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
It's a person who starts up a business.

And also, considering they're as much places as people, it's not surprising she gets confused.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-07 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, didn't the Skittles accidentally catch Misericordia on fire? That's a fucklot of danger right there.
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[personal profile] theflyingone 2020-01-07 06:52 am (UTC)(link)
I disappeared after the Purgatory Market and did not return until the Liminal before this Jaunt. If there is anything during that time mentioning these anchor people, let me know. Or... anything before the Newport Jaunt, which was my first, but that is very far back.

For the rest, I can refresh my memory with notes I stored in the Workshop's library.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-18 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
Oh jeez, yeah.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-18 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, that basically did lead to Misericordia catching on fire.
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[personal profile] thornsofmalkav 2020-01-19 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah okay, legit. I don't actually know much about them personally, except that Alcuin really fucking hates Yellow, with reason.