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[all_onis_are_true]

If I may have folks attention...

I understand many of us are caught up in this battle of Chariot vs. Tower and are desperately wishing to see the Titans win. Perhaps this is for the best, perhaps not. I could not say. However - and I know this is ironic considering how I am currently embroiled in this - I would like to call to attention the fact that one of their co-conspirators may be one of the lesser pantheon herself. Furthermore, that she has attempted to establish her own temple even before this conspiracy has reached its logical conclusion makes me wonder as to where her true loyalties lie. I would therefore appreciate somebody putting my mind at ease as to whether or not the Titans should be placing such reliance on Hebe, especially if she is, as has been suggested, the reason behind the clouding of the Gods' minds. Do the Titans even know of her orders to have a temple established in her name? Why would she be so willing to turn her back on her own compatriots - and does that mean she would be willing to do the same to her new compatriots given the opportunity?

I am simply asking questions. Feel free to provide evidence to reassure me that we should not consider this as a possible complication. Thank you.

Comments

[fridgeninja]

It's definitely a possible complication.

[all_onis_are_true]

I am reassured to hear I am not the only one with suspicions. I was beginning to worry people were overlooking this in their push to ensure the Titans' victory.

[fridgeninja]

People are worried about that. But they want to make sure everyone here is safe, too. Or at least, as close as we can make them.

I won't lose sight of that.

[all_onis_are_true]

Thank you. I shall be relying on your assistance, Souji.

[highsteaks]

Wait, do you think she's trying to be the last god standing?

[... oh jeez. She can actually imagine that.]

Crap. We need to get one of the guys who's tight with the Titans to ask them about this.

[all_onis_are_true]

I cannot deny it as a possibility. Remember that, if she is truly the betrayer of the pantheon, and her role as a cupbearer is as significant as implied, then she would have had to be the one to initiate the poisoning, which is the only thing that has made much of this revolt possible. In other words, she may be leading everybody into her own machinations, including the Titans. She would not be able to do most of this by herself, after all.

[highsteaks]

Yeah, but I thought Prometheus was their leader guy? I mean, that's what the stuff the cowboy ninja showed us was talking about.

... though, I mean, if she's as sneaky and ruthless as you're making her sound, she could always join in on their plan and then make a plan inside the plan. If that makes any sense?

[all_onis_are_true]

It could be that Prometheus is the main leading force among the Titans themselves, but there is no way he could have accomplished what he had without Hebe's support. If she is also brazen enough to believe that she can work under the noses of the Titans, then I would not be surprised if she feels she could convince them to let her lead the new Pantheon, at the very least. At the most...

Either way, I do not trust her.

[claudiometer]

From the looks of what Chie and I found in the library, she probably got involved in this because she was butthurt over being swapped out of her cushy position for a younger model, that being Ganymede. Can't say whether the temple this soon was part of the plan, or why she'd spring for it if not other than being on the power-hungry side of things.

The real question is whether chucking folks into Tartarus was part of the plan or dangerous improv. If it was the latter and the Titanspiracy at large has any sense, I can't imagine they're very happy about an attempt to perpetuate a nasty cycle.

Anyone talked to her or the Titans recently?

[all_onis_are_true]

Wait, could you repeat that? Did you just say she was throwing the existing Gods into Tartarus?!

[claudiometer]

It's the most likely cause of the earthquakes, and she's the one who's been on Olympus the most. Granted, I have no idea what her throwing arm's like, but still.

Good news is it's only the two, so far.

[all_onis_are_true]

Regardless of whether or not this is improvised or part of the plan, this only solidifies my concerns. If she is outright "murdering" the Gods, for whatever that means, that bodes poorly on her morality, especially considering that it sounds as though there was simply no need for such a violent act given the Gods' stupefied state.

More evidence may be needed.

[acapriciousthing]

I can't say whether the temple was part of the original plan. But either way, she'd go for it to increase her power. Gods who aren't worshiped diminish.

[claudiometer]

Makes sense, but I think things since have kinda ruined her chances.

[acapriciousthing]

Causing natural disasters in a way that mortals can actually pin it on them doesn't tend to help a god's case, no. Gods are like anyone else: Some of them are a lot better about thinking things through than others.

[helborn]

... I don't know, but... what if we just... ask someone? This isn't our Greece, right? So we can't know anything for sure.

[all_onis_are_true]

Unfortunately, I am not as much in contact with the Titans as some Travelers. That said, if somebody could ask someone who is, and they could establish a solid answer which they feel is reliable, that would certainly satisfy my inquiries.

[helborn]

I know Kinji is, but I don't know if anyone else is.

[all_onis_are_true]

I would certainly like to talk to this Kinji, then. Perhaps he can fill me in on how the Titans feel about her.

[butthemiracleneverhappen]

Please, allow me to speak.

(...okay, that's laying it on a little thick.)

I cannot say if Prometheus considered pitching the Gods into Tartarus as part of the plan. I do know that Selene was... upset, at the prospect, and that Arke was horrified at the thought, of imprisoning the Gods there. They know that fate too well; they would not wish it on anyone.

I am certain that Hebe, if she did not betray the Titans as well, certainly at least acted without their prior approval.

[all_onis_are_true]

Your contribution, as always, is valuable. It seems, then, that Hebe's intentions are clouded in mystery. Was she truly acting purely out of panic, and if so then why? What could possibly happen that would make her panic when she has most of the pantheon already subdued? And if she was not actually panicked, then what does that mean instead? There are still too many questions about her for me to believe she is acting purely out of goodwill and a desire to change things for the better.

[butthemiracleneverhappen]

...Nike knew about the plan.

I do not recommend the experience of facing Nike when she is wrathful.

That is, if not cause for panic, at least a reasonable excuse to explain her actions as panicked.

[theflyingone]

I witnessed Selene rebuking Hebe and Atlas for throwing two Olympians off the mountain, because it resulted in the quake and mortals dying. Hebe did not care. She only had eyes on her victory. Selene's priority was her chariot, presumably with which she could put the world to rights. The moon is back, and no doubt its presence will save lives, but I do not know what she plans to do about Hebe and Atlas.

On the subject of gods who may not wipe out their people, I saw Helios trying to convince Arke that involving mortals in the coup was a good idea. King Kosmas, a new immortal, will put his people first, though he has a streak of anger concerning avenging their deaths.

Prometheus is the only Titan who knows their plans fully. The rest only know in part. As for the Olympians, I have only heard they were trying to defend themselves. I do not know if these Olympians are cruel like the myths I have researched, for the Titans I observed surprised me. I had thought more of them would be a danger as well.

[all_onis_are_true]

...Kosmas is immortal? Ah...

[Hokay, did not realize that one. Would explain why his senses keep suggesting he's important.]

That said, this does seem to confirm some of my fears. Someone who is dedicated enough to her own victory to kill and to ruin the plans of others hardly seems like a reliable ally for longer term stability. If she is this concerned about ensuring she wins, then what should happen if the Titans move in a direction she does not care for?

[theflyingone]

There is another immortal, a scion of Zeus's head, whose own name he does not know. He was there on Olympus, and in accord with Selene. He wished to reason with Hebe for the sake of the Achaians, perhaps why Selene left Hebe to him. This was days ago, so he either succeeded or failed... I have not seen him since, as I have been in Athens. Finding out whether Hebe responded favorably may give you your answer.

I, however, am a harsher judge. For the sake of the Achaians, I already wish for Hebe and Atlas's defeat. I have my evidence in the lives lost in the quake. The only question I have concerning these two is where they can be found and how they can be stripped of their power.

[ He'd say he simply wishes them dead, but an assassin knows better than to publicly state his intentions with anything other than his blade. At any rate, he is looking into a possible way to take a god's godhood... ]