Which winner is which

[ninjayeehaw]

I know I can't be the only one what's noticed this, but I gotta ask.

Anyone else wonderin' how Hermit an' Death seem t'have both won?

Comments

[overlevende]

From what I understand two Arcana tying on a jaunt existed in their games before they turned to the knock-out system, so maybe they can still happen?

[awitchdidit]

It doesn't surprise me that those two arranged a longer game than simple victory or defeat. What does surprise me is Hermit's share of the victory.

Death's was obvious. The end of one world order and the instatement of a better one...although I have to wonder if he'd have still claimed victory if my Overlay'd gotten what she wanted. I'm rather glad I'll never know, but still.

A naive analysis of Hermit's victory condition would have been the three species remaining separate in the long term, similar to the time with the mermaids. That clearly wasn't the case this time, though.

[leftbehindagain]

Very much so, especially since the kind of major upheaval we brought about wasn't isolation.

Which means Hermit probably wanted something other than isolation to happen, but I'm not sure what, or how it was fulfilled.

[thornsofmalkav]

Since I got back.

Me and Matthew were trying to figure out what Hermit's win conditions must have been, since they can't have been the obvious 'all three races stay apart' one. Unfortunately, neither one of us was really that involved with the Jaunt, so we weren't able to figure it out. But maybe someone else can?

Like, Hermit's things are like isolation, quiet, reflection, self-knowledge... understanding in general, maybe?

[brokers]

If the means are as important as the outcome, it is possible that we served the goals of one with the methods of the other.

[otomechapilot]

...By ending an era cause someone thought hard about themselves?

[all_onis_are_true]

The question is, did they intend for this to happen? And if not, how will they respond?

[theflyingone]

Because of the similarities to our time on the Haunted Isle, I had thought Hermit was one of the Jaunt's participants. It explains the additional symbolism this Liminal.

Hermit's win could have been Beatrice reflecting on herself, perhaps. Was there some other important person retreating or reflecting on themselves or understanding something? There were several secrets being revealed of course, but how and to whom? Do we look at Investigators as well?

[pretentiouself]

Am I missing something obvious? How do people know which Arcana were involved, and who won?

Someone mentioned liminal, but I don't understand how people can read it with such certainty.

[uzoda]

Both? What? Really?

[And after a pause, to listen to most of the rest...]

If we're trying to find... reflection and self-knowledge... what about Ren and Eloi? Would that count?

[haremtrap]

Maybe friendship was the real power all along?