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[mightypen]

So, now that everything is going to hades in a handbasket... can I get out of Liminal and maybe save some lives?

Nobody deserves to be put in some eternal oblivion or shut away in Tartarus, not even the Olympians. Which, okay yeah I'm biased here because hey family, but...

Would you let any of this happen to some other group of people if they weren't gods?

Is it okay to send someone, human or not, to somewhere I can personally say is worse than Mobieus ever was? I've been to Tartarus, it's...

[There's a long pause, because it's something Percy personally tries to avoid thinking about.]

I'd rather deal with Mobieus again, in all honesty.

But, maybe if we're lucky we can convince the Titans to just... exile the Olympian gods to Rome? Or whatever Rome is right now, I'm not sure it's really a thing yet.... just. Nobody deserves what's been done to them.

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[memoryandtheft]

Anything to make sure the magical kidnapper of their choice wins, no matter who has to suffer.

If you need a ride out, I'm happy to give you one.

[And would have been a week ago, so presumably they just haven't crossed paths.]

[highsteaks]

Okay, but that's not even true. Anyone I know who actually cares who wins wants Chariot and the whole point of that is controlled progress, not Let's Set Everything On Fire. It's the least amount of people getting hurt.

[mightypen]

Things were already on fire when we showed up, and none of what we've been pointed at doing really involves stopping more badness from happening to everyone who lives here.

[highsteaks]

Yeah and Tower actually wants more badness. That's how Tower works.

Also I've been helping Claudia research stuff and Zeus and those guys don't even treat mortals like people. I'm pretty sure that some new gods who used to be mortals would treat them better. So as far as I see it, that is stopping future badness. It's just less dramatic kind of future badness being stopped.

I mean, don't the mortals here deserve not to get transformed into dumb stuff and be made to fall in love with weird crap or get knocked up by Zeus all the time?

[mightypen]

Maybe for a while, but eventually immortality and godhood gets to your head. Hercules isn't a nice guy to anyone because he used to be mortal once upon a time, Disney lied. A lot.

[Hades is actually a pretty chill dude, even if he is a bit of a stickler for rules way too much.]

Zeus is.... Zeus. I don't know if it's possible for any other god or goddess to do it but... smacking him with mortality for a couple years has been done to gods before by him.

[highsteaks]

And then maybe it's time for new new gods. The way the stuff we found made it sound like, that's what's supposed to happen, people getting new gods every so often, except Zeus ate his first wife and stopped it.

Maybe they all should get to be mortal for a while. Maybe then they'd realize what creeps they were being. That's how it worked back home with Marie. She's a way better person having been mortal than any of the other parts of Izanami were.

[mightypen]

They still got new gods after that, but that's.... it's a kinda complicated family tree really and who's who's parents depends on who's telling the story too.

[It's just easier if you don't question it too hard.]

That's not a really good solution either. It's like making the entire class have detention when only a few kids did something wrong. I mean, being sent away from Olympus itself is punishment enough for the ones who weren't all that bad.

[highsteaks]

Um. I've been helping Claudia a lot with this stuff and pretty much all of the big twelve have been awful at one point or another, except maybe Hestia and, um, the smith one. And I guess Hermes. Stealing cows isn't as bad as attacking women.

[mightypen]

...

Right, you were in the Underworld when I told everyone Posideon's my dad and I've been dealing with this nonsense since I was in middle school.

Except for Hestia, they're all assholes some of the time. Even my dad has his moments.

[highsteaks]

Your dad make earthquakes.

[acapriciousthing]

Maybe we should try to get a system in place where they have to actually directly interact with mortals on a regular basis. That's how I keep from getting completely out of touch with how I affect people.

[And then maybe try it on the Arcana to get them to grow up]

[memoryandtheft]

That line was a load of crap even before the horse you're backing started trying to lock people up for an eternity for the crime of being inconvenient.

[highsteaks]

Um, no? I don't remember anyone trying to hand this to Tower when people were lobbying for one Arcana or another? And that's what they both symbolize. I know how Chariot works, okay? I used to represent it when we were back in Inaba. Just because you don't want it to be true doesn't mean that's not what they mean as concepts.

[memoryandtheft]

I don't care what tarot card you think represents you. If you're on the side that stands for eternal imprisonment and torture for being in the way, you're on the wrong side.

[highsteaks]

I never said I was for that. You're the one stuffing words in my mouth. I said I'm fine kicking them to Rome or wherever and I am.

I don't think anybody except maybe Altair is actually for Tartarus and even he doesn't want it to be a permanent thing. I don't think anyone who was picking sides a couple weeks ago was for eternal imprisonment or torture then either. That was before people started getting tossed off the mountain.

I'm here to beat up monsters, okay, and rescuing people from natural disasters. That's what I've been doing since I got here. That's what I'm good for, not making these decisions. That's why I'm letting other people go and work for whatever side. They're all smarter than me.

But I'm not going to pretend that both Chariot and Tower are equally bad because they aren't.

[cloudpotter]

Who, exactly, has been spreading the idea that the immediate plan is imprisonment and torture?

[highsteaks]

I have no clue! Guys like Percy and whoever just keep talking about it like it is. Like anyone who's fine with getting the new gods in is automatically planning to help dump his relatives into Tartarus. I don't think I've heard any of the Travelers on Team Titan say that! The only person that wants to is Altair and he's not on the side of either of them.

[cloudpotter]

Then it's misinformation at best, or blatant lying to sow dissent at worst. The Titans do not plan to utilize Tartarus except as a last resort.

[memoryandtheft]

If you - any of you - are still on their side after they started throwing people off the mountain, you're condoning it. You don't get to pick and choose, say you're supporting them for one thing an ignore everything else they're doing.

[And she's not just talking about the gods and Titans here.

This goes for the Arcana too.]

[cloudpotter]

There is no indication that the Titans planned or condoned what happened on Olympus, and a great deal to suggest they are as displeased with it as we are.

Do you have any basis for what you're saying?

[memoryandtheft]

No indication? You mean aside from the fact that they're the ones staging a coup, they're the ones who've been doing everything in their power to get rid of the Olympians, and they're the ones who just happened to get their moon-cart back at the same time as the Olympian moon goddess was thrown off a mountain?

Do you actually have anything to back your claims of them being innocent up?

[cloudpotter]

You think it's impossible for the Gods to have not made themselves more than a few enemies? The Titans are not the only ones who are against them. Even the storm spirits themselves would have thrown the Gods from their seats if given an opportunity.

I don't have the same memory sharing abilities as Kinji, so I can't provide you with repeats of our conversations. I base my claims on the information I have from direct involvement with the Titans and their plans. This was not part of them.

[mightypen]

Cool.


I mean, I can't really blame them because there's definetly a bigger picture going on here but... we can't become just as bad with how we treat people who aren't us.

[memoryandtheft]

Too late for that.

I'll go you one better than "if they were human" - I'm willing to bet no one would even be half as okay with this if the people being thrown into Tartarus were other Travelers.

[mightypen]

I think as a group we're kinda just.... becoming more like the Arcana. We start justifying doing stuff because it's 'necessary' and....

Yeah. This is just a bad situation.

[Psychic Protection 1]

Thanks. by the way. You're better at saying things than me, and they don't seem to want to listen because I'm part god.