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[mightypen]

So, now that everything is going to hades in a handbasket... can I get out of Liminal and maybe save some lives?

Nobody deserves to be put in some eternal oblivion or shut away in Tartarus, not even the Olympians. Which, okay yeah I'm biased here because hey family, but...

Would you let any of this happen to some other group of people if they weren't gods?

Is it okay to send someone, human or not, to somewhere I can personally say is worse than Mobieus ever was? I've been to Tartarus, it's...

[There's a long pause, because it's something Percy personally tries to avoid thinking about.]

I'd rather deal with Mobieus again, in all honesty.

But, maybe if we're lucky we can convince the Titans to just... exile the Olympian gods to Rome? Or whatever Rome is right now, I'm not sure it's really a thing yet.... just. Nobody deserves what's been done to them.

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[memoryandtheft]

Anything to make sure the magical kidnapper of their choice wins, no matter who has to suffer.

If you need a ride out, I'm happy to give you one.

[And would have been a week ago, so presumably they just haven't crossed paths.]

[highsteaks]

Okay, but that's not even true. Anyone I know who actually cares who wins wants Chariot and the whole point of that is controlled progress, not Let's Set Everything On Fire. It's the least amount of people getting hurt.

[mightypen]

Things were already on fire when we showed up, and none of what we've been pointed at doing really involves stopping more badness from happening to everyone who lives here.

[memoryandtheft]

That line was a load of crap even before the horse you're backing started trying to lock people up for an eternity for the crime of being inconvenient.

[mightypen]

Cool.


I mean, I can't really blame them because there's definetly a bigger picture going on here but... we can't become just as bad with how we treat people who aren't us.

[memoryandtheft]

Too late for that.

I'll go you one better than "if they were human" - I'm willing to bet no one would even be half as okay with this if the people being thrown into Tartarus were other Travelers.

[fridgeninja]

What happens if we can't convince them? Or if we have to reveal ourselves to manage it?

I'm not saying we shouldn't. Just trying to plan ahead.

[mightypen]

If they were human, would you be okay with what's been done to them?

At this point if it takes some of us revealing ourselves, I don't care.

[highsteaks]

I'm okay with kicking them to Rome.

[mightypen]

Pretty much anything but Tartarus really.

[helborn]

'Cause it's so much better that the Romans deal with this?

[theflyingone]

A permanent sentence in Tartarus will only increase the thirst for revenge. We just saw how that method failed us. I had hoped the gods might reach a compromise on rule, but I am not sure if they will meet. I cannot find them in this chaos, and I am not a trusted messenger to begin with.

The exile of an entire side of a war is a drastic measure—speaking to those Travelers who are not a fan of Tower, I thought you had wanted to avoid those?

[ Here he uses his subtleties, as in reality he doesn't give a flying fuck about the Arcana's game. He will only do right by the people of Achaia. Whether or not it aligns with an Arcanum is of no consequence to him. ]

Whatever else the Olympians and Titans are to each other, they are also family. They cannot allow the world to crumble simply because they do not like working with each other. Otherwise, they do not deserve to be stewards to their people. Call for the exile of those, no matter which 'side' they were on.

[mightypen]

You'd think that the whole family thing would matter, but in this case it really doesn't.

There was already a titan war before this, and there were a lot of Olympians eaten. They aren't going to play nice because there's too much bad blood on either side.

If I thought they could peacefully re-delegate jobs without more mortals getting killed, splitting the sides and getting them to not bother one another wouldn't be the best solution right now.

[ninjayeehaw]

[It isn't Kinji's voice projected into the chat first - it's Naoki's. Most of his comment plays, but with particular emphasis on:]

'The coup needs to be successful.'

[And then Kinji speaks.]

Ain't nobody sayin' they want the gods bein' sent t'Tartarus specifically. Even Arke thinks it's a cruel punishment fer one a' them, an' he's half-insane cos a' Zeus.

But I ain't too sure lettin' 'em be involved in a new pantheon's gonna please either a' the Arcana. [There's the sense of a resigned huff.] Ain't sure kickin' 'em t'the curb's gonna count too much neither, but it's better than 'em stickin' round here.

[helborn]

If it's best for the people here, do we really give a fuck what the Arcana think?

[mightypen]

It's what will happen if we don't do something to redirect things, it's where you lock up gods when you're not like.... drugging them unconcious and shoving them in a closet up on Olympus to be forgotten or whatever the plan is to do with them.

It wouldn't be okay to do if they weren't gods, like.... locking up someone just because they exist and are related to someone who was a jerk to you?

How are so many of us okay with letting that happen just because the Arcana said so? The Arcana said we had to murder each other over and over again in Mobieus too, they're not really the good guys they're just the ones in charge.

[whydoyoushine]

Man, you were a pain to get into Liminal, I'm not letting you out.

[He doesn't care what anyone else does, he just wants no part of any sort of release.]

[highsteaks]

Wait, what did you do to him?

[cloudpotter]

Being Gods doesn't excuse them from their actions, or the repercussions thereof. Neither does being family. You should rephrase yourself; 'would you allow any of this to happen to any other group of murdererous, abusive, power-thirsty superbeings'? [because in his home world, the answer to that question tends to be 'shut up and get in the mecha']

Regardless of that, you seem convinced that the immediate plan is to send them to Tartarus. Imprisonment and death are the last avenues of action to be considered. Do you actually know anything of the Titans' plans, or are you blowing out ideas based on assumptions?

[mightypen]

No because we're putting an equally murderous, abusive power hungry superbeings group of assholes in charge instead apparently.

The Titans aren't good guys either. I mean, fuck, they ate humans for giggles when they weren't forcing them in to gladiatorial combat.

This isn't a black and white issue okay, nobody's the good guy here. Not us, not the Olympians, not the Titans and not the Arcana.

[highsteaks]

[Thank you, wizard ninja, for interjecting common sense into this while not being cowboy ninja.]

Yeah, exactly. You're all 'oh they're jerks sometimes' when they eat their wives and mess with people's heads and attack women.

[butthemiracleneverhappen]

You are operating on a number of false assumptions that made me dearly wish I still had access to the Red Truth.

So you shall have to take me for my word when I say:

If this was a part of Prometheus's plan, Selene did not know that.

Helios did not know that.

Both of them considered Hebe's actions a danger to their plan.

[cloudpotter]

Arke, too, seemed surprised by it. There's reason to believe he would have gone up Olympus himself to interfere with the cause, but the call of his wings proved too strong.

Prometheus himself gave no indication that this was to be part of any plan. It's more likely that a rogue agent was responsible.

[mightypen]

Okay, but who's really in charge of this plan?

Hebe or Prometheus? Because at this point, that matters a lot.

[happyhalloween]

[Maria has mostly been noping out of the conversation to put Doom on things with Jules, but this is an important piece of information that any witch should know.]

Uu. You can think red colored thoughts. Davesprite thinks in orange sometimes. It just doesn't work like the Red Truth.